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High property taxes driving a new revolt
Chief
You can't really blame the Govt for Property Taxes. They were created by the population who yearned for Services and then had to create new ways to pay for these services.
To me they are an Illegal Tax but because so many states have created them they have become the NORMAL.
I just had a State-wide Property Assessment and my value shot up like 80%, I noticed that I was being billed for Views and when I went to Grive my taxes. The State Lister Insisted I had a View. I said to her "You spent less than 10 minutes on my property and you never knocked on my door and yet you are going to argue with me and I have lived there for 20 years?" When I told her that the trees of 20 years ago, Had grown and there is NO View left even if you got up on my roof, I was able to have that taken off. I was also billed for several Outbuildings which by the League of Cities and Towns are not suppose to be taxed. She even compared me to three homes that were sold within a 20 mile radius. I told her, "yeah! but they aren't on back roads, they don't suffer from a Mud Season and they aren't eaten alive by Skeeters, how can you judge what a home sells for 20 miles away?" She also said my house was in a better part of town. I stood there for a couple of hours and listen to 5 grievences prior to me and at least three after me and she told them all that they were from the better part of the town. "I told her our town had 11 miles of backroad and no street, two stop signs and all dirt roads, so which part of town was the BAD side?"
As long as people keep voting for newer Town Buildings and more services they are going to keep raising their own taxes. When you have a municiple school system, one town can vote against the budget and if the other towns in the Union pass it, you are S.O.L.
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High property taxes driving a new revolt
Chief
Up here in Vermont we have what is referred to as LAND USE and you need to have 25 acres or more and the land claimed to be used for LAND USE has to be Agriculture or Forest. Alot of FLATLANDERS move up here and buy a 100 acres, hire a few people to come in and cut a few trees and then plant a few more and claim they are a TREE FARM... really. as long as they show a $75 earned per acre claimed they are Golden. so if they claim 10 acres of their 100 acres they only have to have earned $750, Hell one tree can bring in a few grand (Cherry).They pay much less tax for Land Use than for no-land use. They sell alter on and wow! they turn a bigger profit on account the rest of us idiots have been paying their overhead for years.
I have only 10.5 acres and I hunt on it, cut my own Firewood, have a big garden, raise Turkeys and Chickens and can I claim LAND USE/ nope! I use it more than that damn Banker down the road, He can I can't so not only do I pay my taxes, I pay a share of his as well.
The Consitution speaks of Consumtion Tax and I don't see where a person who finally has saved up enough to paint his house should have to pay more in taxes when he does, on account it raised his Property value.
When I was reaccessed I also asked, my house ain't worth what you are telling me it is worth and if I do all of the repiars that it needs will it increase the value or were those repairs considered to be apart of the accessed value?
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Can't buy any more I am surrounded my National Forest and that is what makes mine so unique. No chance of having a neighbor.
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I asked my Asser once, Hey you are telling me what my property is worth and I have to pay taxes on that assessment so if I can't sell it for that HIGH number you claim it is worth, do I get a Tax Refund? It was a very loud NO! and I was annoying them... Weird how even the people who pay taxes if they become a part of the system how they so quickly turn against us as if we are the weird ones....... Like a School Board Memeber.....
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Let's be fair in Love Hate and War.
Property Taxes in Vermont, do NOT go to Government, they go to Schools and to the town. We Vote and each time someone says "Hey! we need to build New Town Garage" well the town share goes up and what the people keep forgetting is tha DAMN School System. When I was in H.S. we had 16 Superentendents and now the state has 66. Look at those budgets and then would someone tell what they do?
The Schools have Unions (N.E.A.) that stands between the Taxpayer and the recepeint of the taxpayers money. I mean the Union dictates to the taxpayer and yet the taxpayer is suppose to have rep[resentation. hmmmm. School Boards as worthless as tits on a Bull. They usually are taken over by the arministration of the schools and once in a while a memeber will take a stand. On election day, most people don't vote because they feel it isn't worth their time and meanwhile every School Official Votes, to protect their own paychecks. It ISN'T about Education any more it is about Benifits and retirement. We the voters have created our own beds and we can blame Government from now until Hell freezes over, but the one to blame is staring back at you in the morning when you shave.
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High property taxes driving a new revolt
Horse
The facts that the Dept of Education or the N.E.A. does NOT want you to know is that Home Schooled kids are scoring higher in S.A.T. Scores.
We have a school here that is for grades 1 thru 6 and has 270 kids and every day I drive by I have counted 86 cars in the parking lot, regardless the time of day. 86 Cars for 270 kids? wow! now add in bennies and Insurance etc.
Teacher's Salaries do NOt include Helth Insurance, Socical Security etc, those fall under Fringe Benifits so when you hear about a Teacher being paid $56000 per year (200 Contract Days) that doesn't include what is normally deducted from yours and mine Gross Pay.
The Education System is the BIGGEST MONEY sucking problem that we have, and we the STUPID TAXPAYERS pass their budgets year after year, because we feel our kids would suffer if we didn't. Plus they have us devided into Unions or Districts to make it harder for One Voice in One Town to be heard. We Vote for these changes, thinking they will be good and they end up biting us in the rear end.
VOTE Damn It, everyone needs to VOTE and be heard. EVERYONE, no excuses accepted, if Iraqis will stay in line to vote and be shot, then we can Vote here.
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Chief
Government did NOT impose Porerty Tax, towns and cities did and it was originally started to pay for the services such as Libraries, Police, Fire Dept, Schools etc. It has grown and gotten out of hand. I have som eold property tax bills from Bridgewater, Vermont dated in the early 1800s and the proterty tax then was NOT based on value but instead of quanity, it was 1 cent per acre. James Claghorn was the Collector and it is neat, maybe I can scan one and post it for you all to see, I have several.
Income Tax is Illegal because according to Senator Biden of Illionois, he went to every single state to see how the Bill was ever ratified. He found that only 23 states had raified it and the Consitution clearly said it had to be 75% Once he found that the Bill had NEVER been properly ratified he wanted to find out how it had become an amendment in February of 1913 so he went to the Senate chambers to see how it was logged in to the Senate log, he could find NO entries. There are many websites that you could google and read for your oewn opinion, but he had invited Clinton and the Treasury Dept to meet with him and his lawyers in Albany New York back in 98 and no one showed up.
Property taxes fall under the guidlines of the League of Cities and Towns and NOT of State or Federal Government.
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Horse
Poll Taxes were deemed illegal years ago, you DO NOT have to pay in order to VOTE, that would kinda demean the Right to Vote....
The U.S. Consitution only speaks of CONSUMTION TAXES
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Horse
What other Rights should be sold to the individuals?
The Right to Vote can NOT be a Right if you have to pay..
Do you also Pay for the Right to free Speech? People pay taxes at the pump, in their paychecks, in their products, etc etc, they should not have to PAY to voice their concerns at the Voting Booth.
Those bottom 25% earnings with Proper leadership from the rest of us, will someday become the leaders of tomorrow and will repay in Higher Taxes as they earn more. I have two daughters that pay no taxes and they just graduated with Degrees and there is no doubt in my mind they will be paying a lot of taxes. I have urged them to vote since day one and if they DON't Vote they have no RIGHT to complain about the results from those who do.
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Horse
Reread what I wrote, I don't think you are very experinced in the category of raising GIRLS. I have a wife, and THREE DAUGHTERS and even the Dog is a FEMALE, I earned the money, they had all of the say and my Vote was NIL. So would you call that Taxation without Representation?
The Consitution says you have a RIGHT to vote, therefore you can NOT tax anyone or charge anyone for that RIGHT, regardless how it is paid for.
Deadbeats have a Vote and they can vote for the Factory to locate in their area to bring more JOBs while the rich retired Banker on the hIll. might not want it. The People have the power to make change and that POWER lays in the process of being apart of the Decision making.
We can NOT blame the people we vote for, for the situation we are in we can ONLY blame ourselves for re voting for the same people. I am willing to place a bet that at least 40 percent of the people I know, who have Brains and good education, DO NOT VOTE. Nothing will get me more fired up then to listen to someone bithc about my Country and then in their next breath tell me it is a waste of time to VOTE.
Everything you do in Life is based on a choice. You make the decisions that put you where you are and no one else. If you don't like the house you live in or the job you have or the town you reside in, that is your fault and not mine. I live with the results of my own decisions and I have made enough bad ones, I need not inherit someone elses.
You have a legit complaint. I would say that do NOT turn BITTER for people will turn off their hearing aids when you do, but use tack and research and you will get the change you seek. Many people belly-ach about Bush this and Bush that and then they plug another video into the DVD and open anothe rbeer until the next time they feel a need to complain. Keep the Faith.
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Horse
I have a 120 pound Alaskan Malamute and Malamutes are known to be real BITCHES. She bitches me out worst than rest of the family. Plus, when she comes in out of the rain, it is usually MY side of the bed she runs for. Naw! None of these females are the least bit reasonable.
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High property taxes driving a new revolt
SG8NUC
I still say, If you DONOT VOTE you have no rightto complain. You gave up that Right when you made the decision not to vote, thereofre you should NOT be the least bit concerned with who won or what issues are important. It is a really Plain and simple thing, if you Vote you tried and you are involved and you participated in the system. We have enough BACK SEAT DRIVERS don't need no more, we need people who are more action and less words.
Mean? who me? I get it all the time here, "You have to eat'' "Why are you gaining weight dad?" Try to get these girls to help, well Hell will probably freeze first. My ole Lady is a Good worker and a Good cook, it is the Daughters to learn all to soon that they can get around Dad, by getting Mom to say Ok, even the Dog hangs out with her more.
Find out what Home Insurance your neighbor has and then call them up and tell them he has Pit Bulls, his Insurance will either be dropped or skyrocket out of sight... Don't get mad, get even...  .. Love the taste of sweet revenge....
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Get rid of the State Employee and School Unions and let these workers answer Directly to the people who are paying them.
People have to make a Bg Fuss or it will continue.
100,000 Illegals and legal Immigrants gathered in l.A. yesterday to protest the strict Border Proposals and the rest of us go to a Newsgroup and complain... . Guys and Gals we need to give OUR complaints some VOLUMN. Property taxes are only as fair as the enforcers make it.
The School System is the BIGGEST MILKER of people's money, when the kids don't pass the S.A.T.s schools make excuses or try to fledge the S.A.T.s as outdated or whatever. Our system is a failurte and filled with blood sucking people wo want Benifits and shorter contracts and larger pay.
Teahcers sit on their asses and claim they are teaching, they refuse to stay after with students to help. My teachers did and today it is as rare as $3 bills.
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High property taxes driving a new revolt
Woody
That is my point exactly, if you DON'T VOTE don't complain. We have Town Meetings here and it is amazing how few show up to fight the system.
If more people showed up at the School Board eetings you wouldn't have the School Super writting his own blank checks.
We, the people are to blame for what we have done to ourselves. We ignore the kid in the Candy Shop and then blame the kid for eating candy. The kid needs guidance and that is US.
Your 2 cents is always welcome.
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